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Sound of justice and freedom
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"A war can end when the soldiers choose to stop fighting it." Lt. Ehren Watada



“I’ve come to believe this is an illegal and an immoral war, and the order to have us deploy to Iraq is unlawful. I won’t follow this order and I won’t participate in something I believe is wrong.” Lt. Ehren Watada


Thank you Lt. Ehren Watada for refusing an illegal war , all of us are standing up with you for your courage in taking your decision, and believe that we can all learn something from your courage.


"NO" for war and oppression, "YES" for peace and justice.


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Cindy Sheehan and Gold Star Families for Peace will be returning to Crawford Tx. President Bush has still not satisfactorily answered our question, "What Noble Cause did our loved ones die for?" One year later we are still in the quagmire that is Iraq. As of this writing 2497 of our brave and noble military men and women have died for this Noble Cause. Join us at Camp Casey and show the President that we will not accept one more death be it American or Iraqi.
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First of all, I'd like to mention that I consider myself a proud member of the 49.8% who paid attention last time. As much trouble as I have understanding how Bush got elected the first time (although, I guess he kinda didn't, huh?), I just cannot begin to fathom how the hell he managed it AGAIN! Was half the country asleep for 4 years?

Since he's been elected, somewhere around 1/3 of the people who voted for him have changed their mind. It's, like, what? Are you surprised? He's the same president now he always has been. And what's up with the other 30% of the country? You approve of this BS?! Ridiculous. I guess homophobia knows no bounds. I dunno.

So, anyway, yeah, first, I wanted to say all of that. And, now that I have, I'll move on.

You posted this in the wrong area of the board. This subject has absolutely nothing to do with snowboarding, at all. There is a "general" section, though, where you can post just about anything. So, yeah. Do that next time.
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GimmeSnow Wrote:First of all, I'd like to mention that I consider myself a proud member of the 49.8% who paid attention last time. As much trouble as I have understanding how Bush got elected the first time (although, I guess he kinda didn't, huh?), I just cannot begin to fathom how the hell he managed it AGAIN! Was half the country asleep for 4 years?

Since he's been elected, somewhere around 1/3 of the people who voted for him have changed their mind. It's, like, what? Are you surprised? He's the same president now he always has been. And what's up with the other 30% of the country? You approve of this BS?! Ridiculous. I guess homophobia knows no bounds. I dunno.

So, anyway, yeah, first, I wanted to say all of that. And, now that I have, I'll move on.

You posted this in the wrong area of the board. This subject has absolutely nothing to do with snowboarding, at all. There is a "general" section, though, where you can post just about anything. So, yeah. Do that next time.

I was going to reply to this, and then I realized that you just said everything I would have said. So...uh...yeah. Bush is an idiot, Iraq is terrible and the reasons for going there are all total BS, and go peace. And yeah. Off topic witht his thread. As much as I love politics and snowboarding, they don't really belong in the same forum Big Grin
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I'm not going to details on this one because I know my views are not the same as rest of the forum goers here or most people. This might cause an uproar in hatred toward me…I do not want that. Though my views are different, I want say i'm for peace, never for war. There are always many sides to a die(dice).

On the 1/3 of peeps that supposedly "changed" their mind, I'm sure they'll vote for him for the 3rd term (if constitution allows for a 3rd term). That is the reality of Bush administration’s successful presidential campaign. What Bush has been doing isn't exactly "BS". Motives aren't exactly high on moral values, but it has its purpose.

My question to you guys; if we did find WMD in Iraq, would the soldiers’ death be more acceptable?

IMO, it won’t be more or less acceptable. There should be no justification of engaging in any military combat in today’s society. Cause of War should never justify the casualties suffered within the war. However, the result/outcome of the war should be the determine factor of worthiness of these soldiers’ death. Sorry if my statements seems cold, especially with words like “worthiness”; however, this is the most direct way I put my thoughts on these boards.

My deepest condolences to the ones that fought and passed in Iraq; I don't want to disdain their contribution & honor to America’s freedom so please do not take my views/questions the wrong way.
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Well, as for use of the phrase "1/3 of the people who voted for him have since changed their mind", what I mean to say is that when he was elected, he had an approval rating above 50%. I mean, that's the number of people who voted for him. How can you get a more accurate measure than that?

But, recently, his approval ratings dipped down to the low 30's. That means that for every 5 people who voted for Bush in '04, two of them, give or take, have since decided that, actually, on second thought, we don't like him him after all. That's the numbers, plain and simple. And, I find this surprising, of course, because nothing has changed. If you don't approve of him today, why did you approve of him two years ago? Sigh.

So, yeah, I don't know what's up with those people.

The Constitution, by the way, since you mentioned not knowing, does not allow for a 3rd term. Never has. That doesn't mean there won't be another republican in office instead of him, following the same words from the same advisors. So, even if we are Bush-free, the problems he is creating will be far from gone.

As for the WMD thing, it's actually a little hard to fault him on that. I mean, everyone thought Saddam had weapons. And, even if he didn't, Saddam was bad news. I have no issue with us deciding to take a stand against leaders who abuse their people - particularly when it's as heanous as it was with Saddam. My issue was in the insistance that we were doing this because of Afghanastan's attacks on our soil. It has been proven time and time again that Bin Laden and Saddam Hussain had no relations, but Bush won't admit that. He continues to mention one man's work as justification for attacking the other. It makes no sense. At least the WMD's made sense. Well, unless you consider that N.Korea and Iran have flaunted their WMD's but we haven't done a damn thing about it. Things just don't add up.

As for the "worthiness" of the war, if we could've swooped in, removed a dictator from power, been met as liberators, establish a democracy of happy peaceful people who no longer wished us harm, and left in relatively one piece - all within a span of "6 days, maybe 6 weeks, I doubt 6 months" - then, yeah, it would've been worth it. But, several years, thousands of lives, and countless billions of dollars? No. It hasn't been worth it. WMD's or not. Nothing is worth this.

And that's kinda why the person who posted this in the first place has a point. But it's still on the wrong page. Wink
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GimmeSnow Wrote:Well, as for use of the phrase "1/3 of the people who voted for him have since changed their mind", what I mean to say is that when he was elected, he had an approval rating above 50%. I mean, that's the number of people who voted for him. How can you get a more accurate measure than that?

But, recently, his approval ratings dipped down to the low 30's. That means that for every 5 people who voted for Bush in '04, two of them, give or take, have since decided that, actually, on second thought, we don't like him him after all. That's the numbers, plain and simple. And, I find this surprising, of course, because nothing has changed. If you don't approve of him today, why did you approve of him two years ago? Sigh.

So, yeah, I don't know what's up with those people.

The Constitution, by the way, since you mentioned not knowing, does not allow for a 3rd term. Never has. That doesn't mean there won't be another republican in office instead of him, following the same words from the same advisors. So, even if we are Bush-free, the problems he is creating will be far from gone.

As for the WMD thing, it's actually a little hard to fault him on that. I mean, everyone thought Saddam had weapons. And, even if he didn't, Saddam was bad news. I have no issue with us deciding to take a stand against leaders who abuse their people - particularly when it's as heanous as it was with Saddam. My issue was in the insistance that we were doing this because of Afghanastan's attacks on our soil. It has been proven time and time again that Bin Laden and Saddam Hussain had no relations, but Bush won't admit that. He continues to mention one man's work as justification for attacking the other. It makes no sense. At least the WMD's made sense. Well, unless you consider that N.Korea and Iran have flaunted their WMD's but we haven't done a damn thing about it. Things just don't add up.

As for the "worthiness" of the war, if we could've swooped in, removed a dictator from power, been met as liberators, establish a democracy of happy peaceful people who no longer wished us harm, and left in relatively one piece - all within a span of "6 days, maybe 6 weeks, I doubt 6 months" - then, yeah, it would've been worth it. But, several years, thousands of lives, and countless billions of dollars? No. It hasn't been worth it. WMD's or not. Nothing is worth this.

And that's kinda why the person who posted this in the first place has a point. But it's still on the wrong page. Wink

I agree except for the WMD thing. I don't think if we had found them, it would be justified. Iraq still did not possess the means to reach us with their weapons, and they weren't even directly threatening us. I know its cold, but HIS suffering people are not America's problem. You cannot force democracy through the barrel of a gun. We should have put all our focus into gettin bin Laden.
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jjyank Wrote:I agree except for the WMD thing. I don't think if we had found them, it would be justified. Iraq still did not possess the means to reach us with their weapons, and they weren't even directly threatening us. I know its cold, but HIS suffering people are not America's problem. You cannot force democracy through the barrel of a gun. We should have put all our focus into gettin bin Laden.
Damn straight. Yeah we shoulda.

So, about that Burton Vapor. Man, that board's sweet.

(trying to change the subject)
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GimmeSnow Wrote:Damn straight. Yeah we shoulda.

So, about that Burton Vapor. Man, that board's sweet.

(trying to change the subject)

But way overpriced. We've had that arguement many a time too though :p
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jjyank Wrote:But way overpriced. We've had that arguement many a time too though :p

I bought a slightly used(5 mountain days) vapor for 450 dollars. Not overpriced. worth every penny of it! hehe
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Trader97 Wrote:I bought a slightly used(5 mountain days) vapor for 450 dollars. Not overpriced. worth every penny of it! hehe

No, not overpriced at all. That's actually a rip off! 5 days, and the price get cut in half? Whatever. Sucks for whoever you bought it from :p
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Hehe.. This is much better.. =)
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jjyank Wrote:No, not overpriced at all. That's actually a rip off! 5 days, and the price get cut in half? Whatever. Sucks for whoever you bought it from :p

He's the owner of my local ski shop. He got the board for free, so he made 450 on it plus he got a free test drive. doesn't suck for him!! hehe
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Trader97 Wrote:He's the owner of my local ski shop. He got the board for free, so he made 450 on it plus he got a free test drive. doesn't suck for him!! hehe

Well then I guess it was a win/win situation. You've got some sweet connections :p
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jjyank Wrote:Well then I guess it was a win/win situation. You've got some sweet connections :p

lol yah, I got every single person I know to purchase their snowboard/skiing equipment in the local shop. I think they have 30 customers(returning too) just from me. My love for snowboarding can push me to do anything so I can get gears for cheap and snowboard as much as possible.
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Trader97 Wrote:lol yah, I got every single person I know to purchase their snowboard/skiing equipment in the local shop. I think they have 30 customers(returning too) just from me. My love for snowboarding can push me to do anything so I can get gears for cheap and snowboard as much as possible.


GOSH YOU GUYS I don't even need to do my job anymore, you do it so well!! Big Grin
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