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Utah in Feb
#1
Happy New Year. I was lucky enough to score a few days at a friends
condo in Park City coming up at the end of Feb. Never been to Utah and
am planning on at least one of the days at Alta and the other two at
Park City. Not equipped to go outside the ropes and won't be doing so -
I'm an advanced-expert level skier so if anyone has some suggestions on
what to hit while I'm there or a good place to grab a beer after skiing
it would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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#2
Walt wrote:[color=blue]
> mikec wrote:[color=green]
>> Happy New Year. I was lucky enough to score a few days at a friends
>> condo in Park City coming up at the end of Feb. Never been to Utah
>> and am planning on at least one of the days at Alta and the other
>> two at Park City. Not equipped to go outside the ropes and won't be
>> doing so - I'm an advanced-expert level skier so if anyone has some
>> suggestions on what to hit while I'm there or a good place to grab a
>> beer after skiing it would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance![/color]
>
> Sounds like you have the right idea. Since you're staying in PC, do
> two days there, and since you're in SLC a daytrip to Alta is a
> must-do.
> PC has a ton of blue cruisers with lots of high speed lifts to move
> you around. You have to go out of your way to find the gnarly stuff
> (e.g. the Jupiter Lift), but there's plenty of easily accessed groomed
> cruisers, steeps and bumps. Last time I was there our party had the
> luxury of getting a grand tour by a charming young Australian woman
> from the ski school on her day off. She showed us most of the area,
> except for the expert stuff (per my request to ski the cruisers).[/color]

erp. Dunno about the charming or young bit. Big place, innit? There's
something there for everybody, which is why it's good for groups. Heaps of
cruisers, some excellent trees (you have to know where they are though, me
and a colleague spent two winters experimenting and concluded that some of
the trees just weren't skiable! They were more like shrubberies), some
enjoyable steeps, and stellar bumps.

The only thing they lack is enough really green stuff. That trail to the
bottom gets a lot of tired beginners where it gets steeper at the bottom.

I never did ski everything off Jupiter, but had a lot of fun trying! The run
off the top down into McConkey's basin is brilliant and worth the crawl to
the summit.
[color=blue]
> Alta is a very different vibe - fewer lifts, fewer cruisers, but
> hundreds of acres of open terrain. The real stuff there isn't really
> marked trails so much as open mountain where you pick your own line.
> However, you don't "go outside the ropes" to get to it, it's in-bounds
> off-piste. If that's not your cup of tea, there are still a lot of
> marked pistes, some groomed, some not. Definitely do a day there if
> you can arrange it.[/color]

Alta's good for the lower end types too, more green (real green) than its
neighbour. We spent a very exciting day there in spring, some days after a
heavy fall. Alta had been closed, and in the interim the sun had come out
and baked a few inches of the surface of the new snow solid. gawd that stuff
was hard to ski! a couple of us hooked up with a ski school chap by the
name of JW who took us around to, I think, High Rustler, and in the pine
trees it was still soft. Great skiing there. Nice relaxed vibe, too, without
the attitude found, er, elsewhere.
[color=blue]
> Alta is in it's glory after a fresh dump of a foot or more, but that's
> assuming you can get there before it's skied out (or at all) and that
> you know how to ski deep powder once you do. Although this may seem
> counter-intuitive, if there's a big dump you're probably better off
> staying in PC rather than trying to make the drive to Alta.[/color]

The powder people come out wherever you are, queuing up at the lifts before
they open.

If you are at PCMR for the powder, you'll see them all mobbing Payday. So,
the evil trick is to scoot down to the old race lift.... mental blank can't
remember its name, but it loads down near First Time and takes you up over
the olympic runs. great shortcut.

If Ski Team's open, it's worth the walk up to that, too (or use first time
and skate over to it). Silver King with fresh on is magic.

[color=blue]
> Some people have recommended Deer Valley. I actually prefer PCMR -
> longer runs with more vertical. DV is spread out over a bunch of
> hills, none of which are all that big on their own; although it has
> over 3k of vert, you can't ski it top to bottom and most runs are
> about 1200' or so. But DV is a sui generis and has to be experienced
> to appreciate it. Everybody should go there once, so maybe you should
> hit it this trip. If it were me, I'd skip DV and spend two days at
> PCMR.[/color]

Yeah. DV is a bit of a fizzer. I headed over there sometiems (hell, it was
free), and what was nice was how you'd find all these people skiing alone on
the lifts, who'd hook up with you and show you around. In my second season
there, I met a rabbi who really loved DV and he showed me his favourite
trees, which was a revelation. Food at Empire is hard to beat though. And
despite what people say, it's actually good value for money.

[color=blue]
> As for watering holes, none to recommend other than the deck of
> whatever resort you just skied. But you should be aware of the funny
> Utah liquor laws. See [url]http://www.slcparty.com/Laws.htm[/url][/color]

bars seem to change every season there, best thing is to ask people on the
lifts where's good. O'Shucks in the main street was a bit of a local's
place, ditto No Name (Alamo) which is next door. Proper locals place though
was at the racquet club, going back towards the Meadows district.


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#3
Walt wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> The only thing they lack is enough really green stuff.[/color]
>
> Agreed. I think they'd serve their clientelle better by having more
> really easy stuff.[/color]

It's something too many resorts lack. DV and the Canyons also. People just
can't establish their skills in an enjoyable environment. as for Snowbird's
green (Emma), ye gods!
[color=blue][color=green]
>> I never did ski everything off Jupiter, but had a lot of fun trying!
>> The run off the top down into McConkey's basin is brilliant and
>> worth the crawl to the summit.[/color]
>
> Did we do McConkey's basin? I think so...[/color]

Yep. We're bound to have done McConkey's lift, it's a 6, some good big steep
groomers off that. I dont' think I showed you my favourite trees off Pioneer
though. Love those trees.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Alta's good for the lower end types too, more green (real green)
>> than its neighbour.[/color]
>
> Alta has more real green than most resorts. Nothing from the top down
> though.[/color]

No, that's a point. But it's a great place for the low-enders who are
freaked by their partner's choice down the road a bit. I put a lot of them
on the bus up the hill.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> If you are at PCMR for the powder, you'll see them all mobbing
>> Payday. So, the evil trick is to scoot down to the old race lift....
>> mental blank can't remember its name[/color]
>
> Eagle lift? Anyway, good tip.[/color]

eagle! That's it. We always nicked off down to that, went through the trees
at the unload, skiied the usually-ungroomed thing there down to ... argh,
another mental blank!... and took that up, then took one of the front runs
down back to line-up (men's slalom was my favourite, excellent big bumps,
the boarders tended to bail so they were nice). They called it the
Supervisor's Loop.
[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> Yeah. DV is a bit of a fizzer. I headed over there sometiems (hell,
>> it was free)[/color]
>
> I'd ski it for free anytime.[/color]

I had some really pleasant days there, usually unexpected, due to the people
I met and skiied with. Useful shortcut home too, via Empire.... (I'm sure
I showed you the string!).


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#4

"mikec" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected][color=blue]
> Happy New Year. I was lucky enough to score a few days at a friends
> condo in Park City coming up at the end of Feb. Never been to Utah and
> am planning on at least one of the days at Alta and the other two at
> Park City. Not equipped to go outside the ropes and won't be doing so -
> I'm an advanced-expert level skier so if anyone has some suggestions on
> what to hit while I'm there or a good place to grab a beer after skiing
> it would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance![/color]

This will start a pissing match but I'd recommend the Canyons if you get a
dump while you're here. The Canyons is almost 50% black runs and off piste,
and if you get away from the center of the resort, either off of Condor,
9990, or DreamScape, there's some great stuff that most people won't visit.

Best,


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#5
SkiFastBadly wrote:
[color=blue]
> This will start a pissing match but I'd recommend the Canyons if you
> get a dump while you're here. The Canyons is almost 50% black runs[/color]

except they're mostly not black
[color=blue]
> and off piste, and if you get away from the center of the resort,
> either off of Condor, 9990, or DreamScape, there's some great stuff
> that most people won't visit.[/color]

9990 is nice for a morning, and there's some interesting stuff far skiier's
left (around the back) but that Dutch's Draw avvy put me off.

And the food is TERRIBLE except the little restaurant at the top of that
chairlift all by itself. They do an excellent hamburger with a big mushroom
in it instead of the meat. Something-Cabin, very nice.

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#6
BrritSki wrote:[color=blue]
> mikec wrote:[color=green]
>> Happy New Year. I was lucky enough to score a few days at a friends[/color]
>
> Hi Scottie ?
>[color=green]
>> condo in Park City coming up at the end of Feb. Never been to Utah and
>> am planning on at least one of the days at Alta and the other two at
>> Park City. Not equipped to go outside the ropes and won't be doing so -[/color]
>
> Yeah Scat, we know...
>[color=green]
>> I'm an advanced-expert level skier[/color]
>
> Correction, you are definitely NOT SCott Smile[/color]

phewww... thank you for not requiring me to post a pay stub, deed to my
home, and my mother's address to prove i'm not him
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#7
ant wrote:[color=blue]
> Walt wrote:[color=green]
>> mikec wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Happy New Year. I was lucky enough to score a few days at a friends
>>> condo in Park City coming up at the end of Feb. Never been to Utah
>>> and am planning on at least one of the days at Alta and the other
>>> two at Park City. Not equipped to go outside the ropes and won't be
>>> doing so - I'm an advanced-expert level skier so if anyone has some
>>> suggestions on what to hit while I'm there or a good place to grab a
>>> beer after skiing it would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance![/color]
>> Sounds like you have the right idea. Since you're staying in PC, do
>> two days there, and since you're in SLC a daytrip to Alta is a
>> must-do.
>> PC has a ton of blue cruisers with lots of high speed lifts to move
>> you around. You have to go out of your way to find the gnarly stuff
>> (e.g. the Jupiter Lift), but there's plenty of easily accessed groomed
>> cruisers, steeps and bumps. Last time I was there our party had the
>> luxury of getting a grand tour by a charming young Australian woman
>> from the ski school on her day off. She showed us most of the area,
>> except for the expert stuff (per my request to ski the cruisers).[/color]
>
> erp. Dunno about the charming or young bit. Big place, innit? There's
> something there for everybody, which is why it's good for groups. Heaps of
> cruisers, some excellent trees (you have to know where they are though, me
> and a colleague spent two winters experimenting and concluded that some of
> the trees just weren't skiable! They were more like shrubberies), some
> enjoyable steeps, and stellar bumps.
>
> The only thing they lack is enough really green stuff. That trail to the
> bottom gets a lot of tired beginners where it gets steeper at the bottom.
>
> I never did ski everything off Jupiter, but had a lot of fun trying! The run
> off the top down into McConkey's basin is brilliant and worth the crawl to
> the summit.
>[color=green]
>> Alta is a very different vibe - fewer lifts, fewer cruisers, but
>> hundreds of acres of open terrain. The real stuff there isn't really
>> marked trails so much as open mountain where you pick your own line.
>> However, you don't "go outside the ropes" to get to it, it's in-bounds
>> off-piste. If that's not your cup of tea, there are still a lot of
>> marked pistes, some groomed, some not. Definitely do a day there if
>> you can arrange it.[/color]
>
> Alta's good for the lower end types too, more green (real green) than its
> neighbour. We spent a very exciting day there in spring, some days after a
> heavy fall. Alta had been closed, and in the interim the sun had come out
> and baked a few inches of the surface of the new snow solid. gawd that stuff
> was hard to ski! a couple of us hooked up with a ski school chap by the
> name of JW who took us around to, I think, High Rustler, and in the pine
> trees it was still soft. Great skiing there. Nice relaxed vibe, too, without
> the attitude found, er, elsewhere.
>[color=green]
>> Alta is in it's glory after a fresh dump of a foot or more, but that's
>> assuming you can get there before it's skied out (or at all) and that
>> you know how to ski deep powder once you do. Although this may seem
>> counter-intuitive, if there's a big dump you're probably better off
>> staying in PC rather than trying to make the drive to Alta.[/color]
>
> The powder people come out wherever you are, queuing up at the lifts before
> they open.
>
> If you are at PCMR for the powder, you'll see them all mobbing Payday. So,
> the evil trick is to scoot down to the old race lift.... mental blank can't
> remember its name, but it loads down near First Time and takes you up over
> the olympic runs. great shortcut.
>
> If Ski Team's open, it's worth the walk up to that, too (or use first time
> and skate over to it). Silver King with fresh on is magic.
>
>[color=green]
>> Some people have recommended Deer Valley. I actually prefer PCMR -
>> longer runs with more vertical. DV is spread out over a bunch of
>> hills, none of which are all that big on their own; although it has
>> over 3k of vert, you can't ski it top to bottom and most runs are
>> about 1200' or so. But DV is a sui generis and has to be experienced
>> to appreciate it. Everybody should go there once, so maybe you should
>> hit it this trip. If it were me, I'd skip DV and spend two days at
>> PCMR.[/color]
>
> Yeah. DV is a bit of a fizzer. I headed over there sometiems (hell, it was
> free), and what was nice was how you'd find all these people skiing alone on
> the lifts, who'd hook up with you and show you around. In my second season
> there, I met a rabbi who really loved DV and he showed me his favourite
> trees, which was a revelation. Food at Empire is hard to beat though. And
> despite what people say, it's actually good value for money.
>
>[color=green]
>> As for watering holes, none to recommend other than the deck of
>> whatever resort you just skied. But you should be aware of the funny
>> Utah liquor laws. See [url]http://www.slcparty.com/Laws.htm[/url][/color]
>
> bars seem to change every season there, best thing is to ask people on the
> lifts where's good. O'Shucks in the main street was a bit of a local's
> place, ditto No Name (Alamo) which is next door. Proper locals place though
> was at the racquet club, going back towards the Meadows district.
>
>[/color]
Walt/Ant - Thank you, this is good intel. Hope to get to ski some fresh
snow no matter where we end up. I'm going to rent skis that are up to
the task - living on the east coast my Superstars are all i need for the
best Vermont can offer, but anything deeper than a few inches and the
fun factor goes way down.

PCMR looks like the best bet, but i'm pushing for one day at Alta.
Growing up on the east coast we never made it past Colorado - but
Alta/Snowbird was always on the list to do before i die. Thanks again
for the info.
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Bob F wrote:
[color=blue]
> One consideration about PC and DV from when I went there several
> years ago. The slopes are groomed to death, with no texture on slopes
> steeper than slopes that never get groomed where I am. There are lots
> of people basically going straight down, turning only when the trail
> turns, at incredible speeds. To me, it's boring and dangerous.[/color]

True. Those resorts are popular because they deliver what the great American
skiing public wants: groomers. PCMR have this thing called groomed
"signature runs" which means quite steep blues and blacks, groomed.

I[color=blue]
> couldn't find any decent mogul slopes, until I ended up at what is
> now called The Canyons, down the road, with the snowboarders and
> telemarkers.[/color]

You should have asked someone, there's some excellent bumpage at PCMR (and
at DV, too), lovely long runs full of them. and for never-groomed steeps,
Jupiter is your playground.



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[email][email protected][/email] wrote:[color=blue]
> While I love Alta/Snowbird and DV don't overlook Snowbasin. But the
> best days I have has the last two years, including yesterday (Friday)
> has been at Powder Mountain which is about 1 1/2 hours north of PC.
> Old school facilities but worth the effort to get there.[/color]

You can actually see the runs at PCMR and DV from a spot at Powder Mountain,
which is rather cool.

You have to have a guide though, to find the really stellar excellent stuff.
It's hidden. even the stuff in amongst the lifts... our bloke showed us some
amazing stuff and I'm blowed if we could find it again after he left.


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